MU-CML
KBW 2.027
GSI
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KBW 2.027
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Welcome
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News from Topics Speakers meeting
Q: Is it correct that there will be a description of the centres? in the earlier chapters of the document?
A: There will be a brief paragraph of centers descriptions in the updated version of our “Matter strategy paper”. This paper was written in fall 2024 and is currently being updated. It will be done within about the next four weeks. The update version will then be put into the proposal as inserted document in Sec. 1.2
Q: I was wondering where the knowledge transfer, early career researchers' support, etc. should be described. Should this be in the topics or elsewhere in the document where centres will be discussed?
A: The template of the proposal has no dedicated sections forseen for those aspects. Thus we agreed among the programs that these aspects have to be addressed in each topic where applicable. This give us the advantage of writing only our prime examples where we have some to some of those aspects.
Q: Is the blue box labelled 'Key Goals' counted as part of the allocated per topic pages?
A: Yes, the key goals box, as all other boxes, are part of our contribution in the proposal, so it is counted against our page limit.
From the Reviewers: Internal and JSC
We would like to thank the spokespersons of the Topic Cosmic Matter in the Laboratory (MU-CML) for producing a draft in good time for our internal review. We provide below some suggestions which we hope can strengthen the case.Main comments- Try and lead with the science (not the technological developments) as much as possible. This is already accomplished in some sections, but not all. In particular, consider editing the executive summary and strategy to identify the key science questions to be addressed; then highlight how the technological advances and uniqueness of FAIR will allow the collaboration(s) to achieve those scientific objectives. At present the opening sentence is the Strategy summary on page 1 does not accomplish this.
- In general, it would be useful to establish clearer links between the science cases discussed in earlier sections and the technological developments and infrastructure described in Section 2.2.4.
Section 2.2.1A single sentence touching on matter-antimatter asymmetry in the first paragraph doesn’t leave a strong initial impression that this is an integrated and important part of the planned research, consider expanding it.Consider numbering the questions being tackled for improved cross-referencing.
Most of these sub-parts are well presented, but the first one (on Q1: How do the properties of matter arise from the strong interaction?) is heavy on the use of jargon; consider simplifying the language where possible. The other two subparts read better.Section 2.2.2No specific comments at this stage; please review to ensure alignment and coherence with adjacent sections. But check for typos.Section 2.2.3Currently no content presented hereSection 2.2.4- Establish clearer links between the science cases discussed in earlier sections and the technological developments and infrastructure described here
- Provide a clearer outline of the work plan, explicitly highlighting the innovation and unique aspects of the proposed approach.
- Organisational structure and management: outline more clearly.
- Resource planning: ensure that key information is clearly visible – some of this is present in the text but could be emphasised (e.g., in boldface) to facilitate reference by reviewers.
Other minor comments- Use boldface or similar typesetting to highlight key terms and phrases, making the document easier to navigate.
- Proofread carefully for typos (e.g., lectures → lecturers, last paragraph on page 39).
- Ensure that all acronyms are defined at first use.
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To go directly on what can be improved, I would say that my main comments are:
* the part related to the first « Big question » (CBM/HADES/ALICE) is much better written than the two others
* the text is imbalanced towards CBM, while the rest appears a list of small measurements without strong motivation. It is partly due to the story telling: while for the CBM part, there are paragraphs of motivations and physics, the part about NUSTAR or precision physic is more about the several experiments and list of observables with no particular question (only that we need precision data to fine tune nucleosynthesis). In my opinion, this is the main point to improve.
* R3B is not put forward; I would even say the contrary, almost absent. There is more about HADES, CRYRING (AGATA almost). It gives the impression of a bias from the writing team.
* The complementarity of the pillars / projects at FAIR are crucial; although some are mentioned (EOS, strangeness), the way it is done does not give the impression of a network of combined interests between the FAIR pillars. These inter-connections could be arranged more efficiently.
* Some external facilities / experiments seem to be covered by POV V; I am lacking history but it reads like arbitrary (except for ALICE): why MESA? Why BESIII? Why HZL?
* The PANDA part is not convincing. It looks like we are not yet prepared to answer the question. The text seems to avoid it. -
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Work on Document PoF V
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a) Timeline: recall timeline and set the (internal) timeline for various activities
Vorläufiger Zeitplan:
-- Anfang Juni 2025 Versand der Templates und offizieller Start zur Erstellung der Programman-träge
-- 19. September 2025 Sitzung Lenkungsausschuss Materie (HZDR)
-- Mitte Dezember 2025 Abgabe des Reports; anschließend Befassung im MB, Layout und Lektorat
-- März 2026 Versand der Templates und Start zur Vorbereitung der Präsentationen
-- ca. Mitte April 2026 Hauptprobe (MDC, Berlin Buch)
-- ca. Anfang Mai 2026 Generalprobe (MDC, Berlin Buch)
-- 26.–29. Mai 2026 Strategische Begutachtung (MDC, Berlin Buch)
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PoF V document internal timeline
Timeline
o 5. Sep: CML zero-draft version with all contributions to the text ready (prior to 5. Sep: work in the small teams)
o 5. - 10. Sep : core writing team meets, work on the consolidated draft
o 10. - 15. Sep : everyone reads the draft and comments
o 15. - 17. Sep : comments implemented, draft ready for the LA
o 19. Sep : Sitzung Lenkungsausschuss Materie (HZDR)
o 20. Sep - 25. Sep : include suggestions discussed for all Programs/Topics @LA
o 29. Sep - 6. Oct : send to critical readers reviewers: Karlheinz Langanke and Alexandre Obertelli
o 9. Oct - 23. Oct --> send version to JSC (2 weeks for comments)
o 23. Oct JSC feedback
o 14. Nov : version is ready to be merged with other Topics. Further work by topic speakers on the master file.
o 1. Dec : close to final document ready
o Mid-Dec 2025 Abgabe des Reports; anschließend Befassung im Management Board Materie, Layout und LektoratSprecher: Tetyana Galatyuk (TU Darmstadt / GSI)
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